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Old 05-13-2017, 10:57 AM   #41
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That's the whole roster, not everyone on scholarship. As of now we're 1 over the limit and smart money would be on Tut leaving.
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If a guy redshirts does their scholarship still count? If not I could see cudd redshirting for his first year. Also if we sign alstork we are gonna need another guy to leave.


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That's the whole roster, not everyone on scholarship. As of now we're 1 over the limit and smart money would be on Tut leaving.
I'm really not fond of publicly discussing amateur athletes being asked to leave. Obviously, Frank will have the numbers right before the fall. It just feels creepy to discuss booting players to me.
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Yes, redshirts count as scholarships.

Tut has talent but did not play last year when we needed big men. That is not the end of the world for a Freshman, but not good for a JUCO that is supposed to be able to play right away. I don't think there is anything creepy with making that observation - it is just the truth.
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I'm really not fond of publicly discussing amateur athletes being asked to leave. Obviously, Frank will have the numbers right before the fall. It just feels creepy to discuss booting players to me.
Well when you accept a commitment that puts you 1 over the limit and are still going after a grad transfer the discussions are going to be had, just the nature of it. I'd agree with you if we were under or right at the scholarship limit with recruiting wrapped up but now that we're over it moves from a possibility to a certainty that players will be gone.
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I'm really not fond of publicly discussing amateur athletes being asked to leave. Obviously, Frank will have the numbers right before the fall. It just feels creepy to discuss booting players to me.
I don't know what the real situation is. But I hope everyone is treated fairly.
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I don't know what the real situation is. But I hope everyone is treated fairly.
You can't take someone's scholly any more just because they didn't turn out to be as good as you expected . Have to have better reasons than that . From the USC web site (implemented in 2014) :

The newest commitment in the document is the "Four-Year Full Scholarship Commitment." It states that the University is committed to providing full-scholarships to student-athletes in head count sports commensurate to a four-year college degree. In addition, the University will increase scholarships to address the cost of attendance once these increases are approved by the NCAA. The scholarship can only be reduced if the student-athlete 1) decides to leave the team; 2) becomes ineligible; or 3) violates University or athletics department policies.
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You can't take someone's scholly any more just because they didn't turn out to be as good as you expected . Have to have better reasons than that . From the USC web site (implemented in 2014) :

The newest commitment in the document is the "Four-Year Full Scholarship Commitment." It states that the University is committed to providing full-scholarships to student-athletes in head count sports commensurate to a four-year college degree. In addition, the University will increase scholarships to address the cost of attendance once these increases are approved by the NCAA. The scholarship can only be reduced if the student-athlete 1) decides to leave the team; 2) becomes ineligible; or 3) violates University or athletics department policies.
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You can't take the scholarship away but it is not hard to get players to leave if it is in their best interest. Tut has to know that his chances of playing are slim - heck, he did not play last year, and we have more options and improving young bigs for 2017-2018.

And Blanton would not lose his scholly because being placed on the physically unable to play list does not count against the limit of 13.
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You can't take the scholarship away but it is not hard to get players to leave if it is in their best interest. Tut has to know that his chances of playing are slim - heck, he did not play last year, and we have more options and improving young bigs for 2017-2018.

And Blanton would not lose his scholly because being placed on the physically unable to play list does not count against the limit of 13.
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I don't know what the real situation is. But I hope everyone is treated fairly.
the situation is Frank will determine who goes and who stays. some will probably look at as being unfair, it's just one of those things that happens.
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Thanks. Good to know.
Yeah fair treatment isn't an issue. What ends up happening is you have a player or two who knows they won't see any PT or hasn't really meshed with Frank's style of coaching, which is definitely an acquired taste. My understanding of these situations is if a player wants to leave Frank does everything in his power to help find him the best landing spot possible.
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Frank hinted that some players might not be cut out for the program. I still expect some transfers.
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If we take Bryce and Alstork we will be 3 over the limit. My guess is we will only take one of them. In that case, Blanton will take a medical hardship and Tut will transfer. If we took both I have no idea who the 3rd guy would be. Possibly Gueye - though he has some athleticism - just needs more time playing to learn the game. I have heard that Frank is not happy with Keita.
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I hope we know soon who will be on the team next year. I don't like this kind of mystery.
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If we take Bryce and Alstork we will be 3 over the limit. My guess is we will only take one of them. In that case, Blanton will take a medical hardship and Tut will transfer. If we took both I have no idea who the 3rd guy would be. Possibly Gueye - though he has some athleticism - just needs more time playing to learn the game. I have heard that Frank is not happy with Keita.
Yeah, either/or with Bryce and Alstork. Alstork should be top priority - we need an immediate contributor at wing and Minaya might not be ready to play a heavy role in Year One.
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How does a medical hardship work? For instance, could Blanton be put on one this year, and next year be taken off?
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How does a medical hardship work? For instance, could Blanton be put on one this year, and next year be taken off?
Medical hardship is permanent. You get to stay on scholarship but you can't play the sport again. From a team perspective a player on medical hardship doesn't count against the numbers.
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Dang, that stinks. Oh well, whatever decision Frank makes will be good. We definitely need offensive points to replace sin and pj.
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If we take Bryce and Alstork we will be 3 over the limit. My guess is we will only take one of them. In that case, Blanton will take a medical hardship and Tut will transfer. If we took both I have no idea who the 3rd guy would be. Possibly Gueye - though he has some athleticism - just needs more time playing to learn the game. I have heard that Frank is not happy with Keita.
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