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Old 08-11-2017, 10:02 PM   #1
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Harvick seems a little pissy that no one likes him...
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Default Re: Harvick: Dale Jr stunted NASCAR's growth

Two things...

He's the son of arguably the GOAT and NASCAR has legions of female fans, who think he's cute. JJ is married; junior has been single most of his career.

I am a senior fan and have never understood those that jumped to junior, other than sympathizing with him after his father's death.

My loyalties were with RCR after DE's death, which IMO was only logical.

Harvick is some what right, but at no fault to junior. Women and the NASCAR powers that be ruined NASCAR.
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Default Re: Harvick: Dale Jr stunted NASCAR's growth

Jr. is one of the last true Southern NASCAR drivers. NASCAR was and is a traditionally Southern sport. Their venture into the rest of the country hasn't exactly played out like they planned. Most of the races outside of the South end up with thousands of empty seats on Sundays. And their endeavor the use drivers from outside the South hasn't helped. Most people don't like the Busch brothers and a champion from California doesn't resonate with Southerners. Jr. speaks the language, and plays the part, and he has the pedigree. He just doesn't win enough. NASCAR needs to tighten it's belt, close the tracks in KC, Vegas, Chicago, and even Texas, and open new small tracks in North Wilkesboro, Martinsville, and Rockingham and return to it's roots.
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Jr. is one of the last true Southern NASCAR drivers. NASCAR was and is a traditionally Southern sport. Their venture into the rest of the country hasn't exactly played out like they planned. Most of the races outside of the South end up with thousands of empty seats on Sundays. And their endeavor the use drivers from outside the South hasn't helped. Most people don't like the Busch brothers and a champion from California doesn't resonate with Southerners. Jr. speaks the language, and plays the part, and he has the pedigree. He just doesn't win enough. NASCAR needs to tighten it's belt, close the tracks in KC, Vegas, Chicago, and even Texas, and open new small tracks in North Wilkesboro, Martinsville, and Rockingham and return to it's roots.
I agree, and in the words of DALE JR. "Hey Kevin, you can kiss my ass." That was also a pretty dick move to kick the man the same year he is retiring. REMOVE those RESTRICTOR plates I bet you Harvick will be singing a different tune on sundays.
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I agree, and in the words of DALE JR. "Hey Kevin, you can kiss my ass." That was also a pretty dick move to kick the man the same year he is retiring. REMOVE those RESTRICTOR plates I bet you Harvick will be singing a different tune on sundays.
lol seriously?? Restrictor plate races are the only races JR can win. Harvick is a top 5 driver in the past 10 years.
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Jr. is one of the last true Southern NASCAR drivers. NASCAR was and is a traditionally Southern sport. Their venture into the rest of the country hasn't exactly played out like they planned. Most of the races outside of the South end up with thousands of empty seats on Sundays. And their endeavor the use drivers from outside the South hasn't helped. Most people don't like the Busch brothers and a champion from California doesn't resonate with Southerners. Jr. speaks the language, and plays the part, and he has the pedigree. He just doesn't win enough. NASCAR needs to tighten it's belt, close the tracks in KC, Vegas, Chicago, and even Texas, and open new small tracks in North Wilkesboro, Martinsville, and Rockingham and return to it's roots.
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Default Re: Harvick: Dale Jr stunted NASCAR's growth

Here's a pretty good write-up what's going on with NASCAR right now.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/moto...pit/ar-AApL0aN

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The money is drying up, especially sponsorships, and nobody can afford to keep multiple drivers on big contracts. It's simple economics and the reality that NASCAR faces moving forward.
NASCAR hung it's hat on the cult-of-personality stuff and then a generation of drivers came in that not many fans identified with.

Young, wealthy, and "not from around here". They don't really care too much for their fans, either.

Fans are cool to Jimmie Johnson because he won too often, but he won because his competition was content to ride around and collect hefty paychecks.

Dale Earnhardt would have made him earn every victory.

Richard Petty is a legend because of his rivalry with David Pearson along with the 200 victories.

The recent July race at Daytona had plenty of young unknown drivers in it, but I watched one of the best races there in a while after the veterans got knocked out.

I hope "regime change" will bring good racing back with it instead of putting the final nails in the sport.
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Default Re: Harvick: Dale Jr stunted NASCAR's growth

The season is way to long..they could barely get butts in the seats for the brickyard which is sad
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NASCAR became a fad beyond the traditional fan base in the 1990s. Then NASCAR abandoned historic sites for new territory. When the fad faded for reasons already mentioned the sport declined. The fan interest because of Jr's celebrity will decline too when he is not driving.
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Here's a pretty good write-up what's going on with NASCAR right now.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/moto...pit/ar-AApL0aN

NASCAR hung it's hat on the cult-of-personality stuff and then a generation of drivers came in that not many fans identified with.

Young, wealthy, and "not from around here". They don't really care too much for their fans, either.

Fans are cool to Jimmie Johnson because he won too often, but he won because his competition was content to ride around and collect hefty paychecks.

Dale Earnhardt would have made him earn every victory.

Richard Petty is a legend because of his rivalry with David Pearson along with the 200 victories.

The recent July race at Daytona had plenty of young unknown drivers in it, but I watched one of the best races there in a while after the veterans got knocked out.

I hope "regime change" will bring good racing back with it instead of putting the final nails in the sport.
Great assessment. Harvick isn't all wrong and there are some facts to his comments. I'd add to your comments that nascar tried too hard to appeal to everyone and attempted cookie cutter tracks in an effort to find another Charlotte motor speedway while moving to larger markets. This did bring more.money to the sport but also more expenses. Just like the owner driver and one man teams have struggled, so have the common man in afording tickets. This grow and all costs mentality costs small teams and fans.
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Great assessment. Harvick isn't all wrong and there are some facts to his comments. I'd add to your comments that nascar tried too hard to appeal to everyone and attempted cookie cutter tracks in an effort to find another Charlotte motor speedway while moving to larger markets. This did bring more.money to the sport but also more expenses. Just like the owner driver and one man teams have struggled, so have the common man in afording tickets. This grow and all costs mentality costs small teams and fans.
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NASCAR became a fad beyond the traditional fan base in the 1990s. Then NASCAR abandoned historic sites for new territory. When the fad faded for reasons already mentioned the sport declined. The fan interest because of Jr's celebrity will decline too when he is not driving.
No it won't, in fact it will probably grow. Fans will find another Earnhardt to latch on to, to root for. Nascar was never a fad, it was a sport, and that sport died in February of 2001. The statistics are there to show it.
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No it won't, in fact it will probably grow. Fans will find another Earnhardt to latch on to, to root for. Nascar was never a fad, it was a sport, and that sport died in February of 2001. The statistics are there to show it.
Yes NASCAR was/ is a motorsport, but it became a fad to temporary fans as it grew in the mid 90s. No question losing Dale Sr was huge, but I think it grew to fast at one point making it hard to sustain. More races father away impacted the smaller teams. NHRA Drag Racing has some similar problems. Both had their heyday when sponsored by Winston.
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King Richard is the greatest of all time. If they want to bring back NASCAR, get rid of the restrictor plates and all the other BS rules they're created. Let's get back to racing boys.
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In the past I was a big fan but I grew tired of one or two teams winning, cars all looking the same, announcers (Fox) picking winners and losers by talking and covering (camera time), long races, to many races and to many untimely cautions etc.

Fans are not showing up at the tracks no matter how hard they try to hide the fact with TV camera angles, the eyeballs are not on TV, sponsors are not selling stuff at the tracks because of low attendance. Stores and online sales of NASCAR stuff is way down.

I won't say NASCAR is folding but they better find a way to cut expenses soon or they will be in a world of hurt.

If they want a true championship run then let the top 13 cars run the last few races. Elimination is how you get to a true champion, not letting some number 39 in the ranking cause a wreck and take out some of the top 13.

Stepping down from soapbox.
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The Michigan race yesterday had some great racing in it.

Kyle Larson took Truex's butterfinger on that last restart for the win and then no one thanked Target in Victory Lane because they're ditching Ganassi after this year.

I thought Ganassi was crazy for giving a guy that young a ride, but I get it now. I like Larson the same way my dad liked Bill Elliott back in the day.

I do think that advertisers are correctly predicting a noticeable loss of viewership next year with Dale Jr.'s departure.

My BIL said he was tired of watching Truex win all the time and I thought that was hilarious considering how Truex got screwed at MWR.

That team has totally beat the odds in the new format and Truex is the reason.
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Along with some of the things already mentioned. I think NASCAR lacks drivers who have character. If you think of Petty, Dale, Swervin Irvin, Handsome Harry ect ect. NASCAR has no guys with character. There always seemed to be a driver that had a real beef or dislike for other certain drivers. They banged around tracks at 215mph on a regular bases. It was fun. Now it is cookie cutter with guys driving cars with no skills or character.
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I don't think this will help.

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Ricky Bobby will put asses back in the seats...bring it.
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